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ASFAB11 · Aug 06, 2007, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

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The rich are always attacked and victimized. I mean in real life you just got to look at people getting great pleasure from the grief which the rich and famous suffer. Jealousy anyone? Heck when people go round breaking badges of Mercedes owned by strangers that just says it all. People dont care that the rich person could be a nice, honest, loving, generous, charitable etc. individual. All thats matters to the haters is that they are richer than them and so deserve grief.

You know, I heard Bill Gates gave all his money away and retired to live in a nice safe ghetto where he wouldn't be victimized like he was being in his gated community with gangs and drugs and drive-bys.

It must be nice to be so rich to be so out of touch with reality that you can think BS like this.

If some kid jacks your hood ornament, it's not a political conspiracy set up by the KGB to undermine American capitalism.... Much worse stuff goes down and it happens far more to poor people than rich people. Unless you think the FBI Uniform Crime Reports are all run by communists who are just covering up the fact that rich people are victimized.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

Sorry to go off topic everyone but that was just too far out there to let slide.

TempusReborn · Aug 06, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

On a few of the points -

Making money is easy...If you buy Nightfall and have a friend clue you up I'd guess you could make a million still in the first month (Thanks to things like unlocked chests and going off to a few of the nicer weapon drop locations)

Malice and Herb and there friends have been playing a long time - imagine how much cash they could have gained. Theres also a lot of effort and time gone in there. But Gold in itself is useless - whats the point of it after lets say the first 200k if they don't have anything rare to buy? Let them keep all there unconditional weapons - they are not imba, sorry they just ain't. They something that the majority don't have and can go - I have a piece of Guild Wars History(I expect they also would treasure mixed dye [sorry im less than a year old all i can think of] which they'd never use as much)

Thirdly perhaps Im going to get laughed at for my ignorance- I customise all the weapons I intend on keeping and Im almost exclusively PvE - why am I doing something wrong?

Finally yep getting a nice Tyrian/Canthan Skin for yourself is hard work - took me a good solid week to get some of my items and I know if i cared about req it would take even more - now I'm not opposed to everyone having the skins they want but with imperfect stats or vica versa - but again as soon as you eliminate the need to work for an item wheres the value in it? I'll stick my kneckout and say theres no Tyrian Skin (not counting stats) I couldn't get a copy of in oooo 24 hours? Req 9 maybe needs a long weekend for some of the rarer things - Why would people pay anything then for these?

Every game should cater both for its majority casual players, who are flitting, without stopping the fun for its few longtime players. So thats why I'd keep Tyria and Cantha how it is.

Funk · Aug 06, 2007, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Wow, i can't believe unconditional +15% weapons are still in the game. Anet, remove them already! There is absolutly no reason to leave them in the game and it makes no sense moderators(!) of this forum even try to defend their existance! How embarrassing.

Malice Black · Aug 06, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by Funk

Wow, i can't believe unconditional +15% weapons are still in the game. Anet, remove them already! There is absolutly no reason to leave them in the game and it makes no sense moderators(!) of this forum even try to defend their existance! How embarrassing.

Another sheep..

I doubt you even knew of the no negs before reading this. And as for me being a mod..WTF has that got to do with anything? I'm allowed to discuss and debate with everyone else, if anyone has a problem with that take it up with the admin, they will just tell you to GTFO though.

TGgold · Aug 06, 2007, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Isn't the Tyrian system the only way to get things like Shields with Healing Prayers Mods and whatnot?

Dr Imperial · Aug 06, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Another sheep..

I doubt you even knew of the no negs before reading this. And as for me being a mod..WTF has that got to do with anything? I'm allowed to discuss and debate with everyone else, if anyone has a problem with that take it up with the admin, they will just tell you to GTFO though.

I think you need to just chill and stop taking this game and this forum so seriously. Honestly.

arcanemacabre · Aug 06, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

And yet you still didnt tell us why the collectors are subpar compared to high vanity. Just bloated around the issue on hot air as usual.

And you yet again didn't read what I said. I said I shouldn't have to explain a viewpoint I don't share.

Here, I'll put it in a way even you can grasp:

Duh, collector's items are just as good as them thar expenseeve items!

Good enough for ya? I don't know how you could've ever thought that I believed that from any of my posts. Reading comprehension doesn't suit you.

Malice Black · Aug 06, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by Dr Imperial

I think you need to just chill and stop taking this game and this forum so seriously. Honestly.

This post shows how little you know me. I've never taken the game or this forum seriously. It's a bit of light entertainment, nothing more. I could drop both the forum and game like you'd drop some garbage on the floor, and never give it a second thought.

You made me laugh. Have a sticker.

Oofus · Aug 06, 2007, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by TGgold

Isn't the Tyrian system the only way to get things like Shields with Healing Prayers Mods and whatnot?

Yes that shield can not be "made" only found. There are a great many usefull combinations that can not be made via the inscription system, like HSR/+AL focus items, HCT/+e wands, etc.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

You made me laugh. Have a sticker.

lol that made ME laugh.

Malice Black · Aug 06, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57

Can I have a sticker?

Make sure it's shiney and golden, cause I'm an elitest ass and only gold will do

And on that bombshell (Jeremy Clarkson ftw) G'night.

capitalist · Aug 06, 2007, 03:13 AM // 03:13

A couple things:

1. My ePeen is about as long as my 13% Unconditional Long Sword.
2. Herb is right. Malice is right. I am also right.
3. You are wrong.
4. Some people complain. Alot. About stupid things.
5. They should nerf the old black dye. It is too expensive and rare. It also makes people hard to see.
6. I would like a sticker.
7. I still collect items.
8. Sometimes I say to myself, "This [weapon] is nice. It is gold, req 9, and has perfect mods. But I think I deserve a req 8 version." Then I walk out into an exploreable area, drop the req 9 weapon on the ground, and then zone. Then I go buy a better item. Then I realize how truly cool that makes me. Then I remember we are talking about a game and go do something productive.
9. Bye.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 06, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

New, fair and balanced solution:

Inscription system implemented on all drops, to please 99% of us peasants who don't have 10 million gold, and who enjoy getting usable drops from time to time.

All items with unconditional modifiers are transformed into minipets of Mr. Monopoly.

All players with over 1 million gold and/or a full stack of ectos will be granted a very special gwen's flute that no other players can have. That way, they still know they're better than all the gutter trash peons populating the rest of the game.

Anyone using collector's items will be temporarily transformed into a sheep. I'm unclear on the reasoning behind it, but Malice seems pretty firm on it, and I'm an accommodating fellow.

manitoba1073 · Aug 06, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

And you yet again didn't read what I said. I said I shouldn't have to explain a viewpoint I don't share.

Here, I'll put it in a way even you can grasp:

Duh, collector's items are just as good as them thar expenseeve items!

Good enough for ya? I don't know how you could've ever thought that I believed that from any of my posts. Reading comprehension doesn't suit you.

So where are you getting the versatily of high end vanities are better than collectors when they are inscribale. Skills beat items any day doesnt matter if an item is inscibable its not as functional as you think. Which is where the Vanity part of them is the same as armors. And its nothing more than people being jealous of others and wanting to pretend they have an E-Peen. Which is where you seem to be needing the help with reading comprehension. So go back and reread.

fenix · Aug 06, 2007, 03:30 AM // 03:30

Spazzer, the more you post, the more I think that you are either ignorant, or REALLY stupid. The simple fact is that the unconditionals that are on ACTIVE accounts, are bad for PvP. No offense to the guys that have them, but they are NO comparison to regular PvP items. Sure, some of them are good, but they are either on inactive accounts, or are used by PvE players. You are thinking too much into this. People don't see the unconditionals are imba for PvP, they see them as mechanisms to increase epeen, because of their rarity. Not their functionality. You really need to learn some more before you post (especially posting essay posts), because it makes you look stupid when you get proved wrong.

arcanemacabre · Aug 06, 2007, 03:41 AM // 03:41

Elitists = God King Xerxes
Underprivileged = The 300
Everyone Else = Arkadians

I am part of the everyone else, and I'm doing what the Arkadians did, running away and watching the battle from afar, where it's safe.

(laughing at Xerxes)

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

So where are you getting the versatily of high end vanities are better than collectors when they are inscribale. Skills beat items any day doesnt matter if an item is inscibable its not as functional as you think. Which is where the Vanity part of them is the same as armors. And its nothing more than people being jealous of others and wanting to pretend they have an E-Peen. Which is where you seem to be needing the help with reading comprehension. So go back and reread.

You didn't read anything I wrote, did you? Why don't you try reading it, seriously remember the days of "See Spot" and really get in there and read it. It may enlighten you, or you may twist it around to favor you, I really don't care, I'm just done wasting my time typing if you're not going to read it.

LifeInfusion · Aug 06, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Originally Posted by boko

The fact that they dun't drop anymore and that they are barely used by any players accounts for it. The fact that Anet has not yet removed it says that ANet thinks that those weapons to be of negligeable importance.

I suspect it is another issue: Perhaps Arenanet doesn't have the manpower or time to go code a rewrite code for loads of different skins and stats to rid unconditionals.

When 20% recharge on all spells was made an inherent mod on staves, existing nongreen/collector staves were NOT changed. In short, I doubt they have the capacity to code such a rewrite at this point when GW:EN is around the corner and mass debugging is needed for any arising issues in GW:EN.

Changing Prophecies and Factions locations to have inscriptions would definitely be beneficial since the inscriptions system is more flexible.

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Originally Posted by TGgold

Isn't the Tyrian system the only way to get things like Shields with Healing Prayers Mods and whatnot?

My main problem with the inscriptions system right NOW is not any of the issues that anyone is talking about here actually. -2/-2 shields and the like do not have a PvP weapon alternative. Arenanet really needs to get on this issue.
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Another point a lot of people are missing is that letting inscriptions in on Prophecies/Factions allows for a greater amount of inscriptions on the market.

Just a thought:
If Lyra_song's system is implemented, and gold noninscribable weapons drop as very rare weapons in an inscription-based system...what's the point if they can come as 15% vs. hexed? And if they all come as a certain setup (15>50 most likely) then how are they not unlike greens in terms of rarity? I mean sure, you can change prefixes/suffixes...but it would just mean a "wannabe green" is put ingame.

Seriously, that's a lot of complication in coding just to please collectors of non-inscribables.

Please, think of the coders.

I really don't understand the hubbub about unconditionals, I thought this was about making the Prophecies/Factions areas drop inscribables?

Hyper Cutter · Aug 06, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

Inscriptions won't make rare weapons common, at worst all they'll do is reveal a skin's "true" rarity by allowing weapons with bad inherent mods that would once be merched to be worth keeping...

manitoba1073 · Aug 06, 2007, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

I really don't understand the hubbub about unconditionals, I thought this was about making the Prophecies/Factions areas drop inscribables?

It Is. Its just somepeople are trying to claim its about funtionality when its really not.

lyra_song · Aug 06, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

And yet with what ur saying here neither does people who only have acces to prophs or cantha they can do the same by going to a trade town. Lets talk about accessabilty in those areas shall we. Now tell me the whats the chance of a no ranked person getting into a group and getting what they want. i'd say its the same difficulty as going to a major trade town of the chapter you own and waiting to buy what you want. So your access is limited is off. Unless your gonna tell me they changed HoH and you jump to the end everytime.

But trading for items is still dictated by what items are being circulated based on popularity. Try hunting for items that are made for your class, but do not exist in your game, AND at the same time, is not a high demand item that circulates the market.

The inscription system is a superior item system and should be available to all players. Simple as that. It benefits all players.

However, on topic with comparison to pvp, reaching HoH is through your own efforts and fruition (with a sprinkle of luck of course).

But it is not hampered with the fact that YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER GAME TO GET INTO HOH.

If you notice, im not talking about RARE items, Vanity items, or even converting old weapons into inscribables.

I want access to collectors and weapon crafters who make inscribable weapons for all chapters. You know those vanilla skin weapons that is intended for the casual gamer, those should be inscribable because its a better system.

Onarik Amrak · Aug 06, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

This post shows how little you know me. I've never taken the game or this forum seriously. It's a bit of light entertainment, nothing more. I could drop both the forum and game like you'd drop some garbage on the floor, and never give it a second thought.

You made me laugh. Have a sticker.

It's not about what you argue, it's how you do it.
Though you say you take it lightly, your tone says otherwise.